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Zombie “Second Mortgages” Haunt Unsuspecting Homeowners

Foreclosure Nightmares

A second mortgage included in bankruptcy can foreclose years after it has been discharged, and can cost you a lot of money!

As an expert in helping homeowners and homebuyers qualify for home loans after a bankruptcy, foreclosure, short sale or deed in lieu, I talk to folks all over the Country every single day about the challenges of recovering from financial hardship.

A nightmare trend that I am seeing more and more often, is Zombie second mortgages rising from the past to haunt unsuspecting homeowners by starting foreclosure proceedings, and threatening your ability to stay in your home that you fought so hard to keep.

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Just when you thought you were safe to start your financial life over again, and continue to live in your home without the fear of a toxic mortgage, out jumps this second lien holder, trying to get their money back by foreclosing on your home.

I Thought The Mortgage Was Discharged?

If you had a second mortgage when home values plummeted in the recent past, chances are that your home value was upside down, and there wasn’t even enough equity in the home to cover the second mortgage.

Unfortunately, many bankruptcy attorneys told homeowners that by including the mortgage in the bankruptcy that you are no longer responsible for it.  That’s not exactly true.  The truth is, you are not responsible for the mortgage, but the lender still has a lien against your home.  If you stop making payments on your mortgage, the lender has the right to foreclose.

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many homeowners continued to pay the first mortgage, and stopped paying the second mortgage years ago

Based on this inaccurate information from the bankruptcy attorney, I speak to many homeowners that have continued to pay the first mortgage on time for years, and stopped paying on the second mortgage years ago.

During the initial fall-out of the crisis, the second mortgage couldn’t do anything because there was no equity in the home.  If a second lien holder initiates a foreclosure, the first mortgage holder gets their money first, and if there’s anything left over, the second lien holder can recuperate part, or all of what’s owed to them.

Here are are, almost 10 years since the beginning of the crash, and home values have jumped back up, very close to where they were in 2006.  At least that’s what happened in California, where I live.

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Now that there is equity in the home, second mortgage holders are starting to pay attention to all of those loans that they haven’t received payments on since the loan was discharged through the bankruptcy.  Bankruptcy law prevents the lender from coming after you for payments, but they are 100% within their rights to start foreclosure proceedings and take your home from you.

How to Stop a “Second Mortgage” Zombie

If you have a second mortgage Zombie chasing after you, you don’t have a lot of time to react.  Hopefully you are reading this, realize that you may be in this situation, and have the ability to be proactive and stop the Zombie in it’s tracks before it comes after you.

There are essentially only three ways to stop a “second mortgage” Zombie from taking your home:

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1. Pay the second mortgage off in full 

This obviously isn’t an ideal situation.  The biggest problem here is that you would not be able to refinance the home to pay off the second mortgage, because technically you have a defaulted mortgage, and a lien against your property.

2. Let the second mortgage foreclose 

If you were planning on leaving the home anyway, this might be your opportunity to finally be done with it.  The worse case scenario is that you can buy a new home 4 years from the discharge of the bankruptcy using a Conventional mortgage as long as you discharged the mortgage debt, and no longer have liens against the property attached to defaulted mortgages.

3. Sell the home, take your money, and run

If you let the Zombie foreclose on your home, they are going to trump up a bunch of attorney fees, penalties and interest and try to consumer as much of your equity as they can.  Remember, Zombies are ruthless!  Knowing what you know now, you can be proactive and sell the home.

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This option will put more of your equity in your pocket, and give you control over the timeline.  Similar to option #2, Conventional financing will allow you to buy 4 years from the discharge of the bankruptcy as long as you discharged the mortgage debt, and no longer have liens against the property attached to defaulted mortgages.

By far this is the best option of the three.

The Lesser of All Evils

If you are in this situation currently, I’m sure you’re horrified.  Just when you thought it was over, and you are safe, the ugly reality of the situation manifests itself in a completely unexpected way, putting you right back to where you were in the beginning of this whole mess.

While it may seem like a stretch, there is good news here.  The good news is that by knowing how to deal with this problem, you have an opportunity to get in front of it.  Ignoring is is only going to make things worse.  The longer you live in the home, the more equity you are going to earn, and the hungrier the Zombie gets.

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The guidelines for buying a new home after a financial hardship can offer you options for getting back on your feet, without too much trouble in most cases.

As I’ve mentioned above, Conventional financing will allow you to buy 4 years from the discharge of the bankruptcy as long as you discharged the mortgage debt, and no longer have liens against the property attached to defaulted mortgages.  FHA and VA loans will require a minimum waiting period from the date of the foreclosure, short sale or deed in lieu of foreclosure.

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If you have questions or comments, please ask below.  I will answer all questions in a timely manner!

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Scott Schang

A 20 year veteran of the Mortgage and Real Estate industry, I am passionate about educating and empowering consumers. I have been writing about consumer protection issues, and making sense of complicated real estate and mortgage topics on this website since 2007

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  • Jo says:

    Hi Scott,
    We filed CH 13 in 2010 and it was discharged in 2015. We continued to pay our 1st mortgage on time since we purchased the home in 2008. We paid the 2nd sporadically when we could over the years, but stopped paying in 2016. I had not received payment books, or statements for years. I have tried to figure out for the past year who to call or how much we owe, etc… but can’t find any information on the loan. It is not on our credit reports or found on the bank’s website. Now, when I look at the deed it shows the 2nd being sent back to the mortgage company…. both loans were at the same time to purchase the home, both with the same mortgage company. We have not heard a thing (phone, notice, letter…nothing). We now have high credit scores and make enough to refinance, which is what we would like to do but don’t know how to go about it? or if they would even let us? I have heard the original bank would not let us bc we did reaffirm the mortgages? Our house is worth more than what we owe and in a normal refi it should be a piece of cake. However, this is way more complicated, obviously. What is your suggestion?

    • Scott Schang says:

      Hi Jo, great questions, and congratulations on making through those horrible times!

      Let me start at the beginning, your mortgage will not show up on your credit, and you would not receive any correspondence from the lender unless they were to begin forclosure proceedings for non-payment.

      A bankruptcy does not typically “remove” your loans, especially not mortgage loans. That said, it is not unusual for a Chapter 13 BK judge to modify or even strip a second mortgage in order to put you in a better position to keep your home at the end of your structured repayment plan (Ch13)

      If your mortgage payment is not showing up on your credit, it was not reinstated. I would be shocked if you did reinstate your mortgages as part of the Chapter 13. If you did, that would be the first time I have personally seen it.

      The first thing I would do is pull up public records and see if there are any liens other than your first mortgage. If not, then it appears that the second mortgage was removed. If it is on there, you may be in a situation where you would need to negotiate with the bank to pay the second mortgage off.

      There seem to be several moving parts here, but it sounds like you have options. If you would like, I’m happy to introduce you to someone that I know and trust that has extensive experience with the bankruptcy guidelines.

      If you would like an introduction, or if you have more questions, feel free to shoot me an email to scott@findmywayhome.com. Please also let me know what State you live in?

      Hope this helps?

  • Brad says:

    Hi Scott,

    My wife and I had a home with a second mortgage on it. Unfortunately my wife lost her job and we contacted our lender to explain the situation. They talked us into signing up for a program that was created through the Obama administration. We tried to work through this program for two years getting the run around at every step. We ended up in the end being told we didn’t qualify and our house was foreclosed on. Now we still have our second still hanging out there. We have been told that since we lost the house the second should go away and others say we are still responsible to pay the second. Can you give us some advice in what direction to go?

    • Scott Schang says:

      Hi Brad, normally the second mortgage is satisfied through the foreclosure. Was the second mortgage used to purchase the home? I ask be cause in my State, California, that is considered a non-recourse loan. Non-recourse means they cannot collect if you default (foreclosure).

      I have also heard of scenarios where the second is a line of credit or HELOC. I’ve heard where this type of revolving, secured debt converts into unsecured debt, and they creditor can pursue you for payment.

      Did you file bankruptcy during this period by any chance? Few more questions 🙂

      How long ago was the foreclosure?
      Has the second mortgage holder contacted you?
      Why is this coming up? Are you trying to buy again?

      Last Question – What State is this in?

      I recognize that this is pretty personal – let’s take the rest of this conversation off the site.

      You can email me directly at scott@findmywayhome.com and I can definitely get to the bottom of all this.

      Hope this helps?

  • Lori says:

    Hi Scott,

    My former husband and I had a second mortgage on the home I was awarded in the divorce. The loan originated with Household Finance Corporation in 2003. Due to financial hardship we stopped paying on it in 2009. Obviously they are now out of business. The title shows them listed as a second mortgage, and I now have equity in the home. I know they sold off a lot of their loans to predatory lenders. How can I find out who now owns my home. I checked the MERS with the FDIC and found nothing?

    • Scott Schang says:

      Hi Lori, this is a good question. I do have a few questions. Did you mention that there was a financial hardship? Was there a bankruptcy filed at that time?

      Also, my answer might also be different depending on whether you’re thinking of refinancing or selling.

      This sounds complicated. Shoot me an email with the answers to these questions and I’ll do my best to point you in the right direction.

      My email is scott@findmywayhome.com

      Hope this helps?

  • Joyce Davis says:

    I recently got divorced and I got the house but with 2 mortgages. The problem is I can’t afford to keep paying the second mortgage I have been behind for 4 months already if I can’t pay it and it get charged off can they foreclose on my 1st mortgage. There is no equity in the home.

    • Scott Schang says:

      Hi Joyce, you have a couple of options here. Yes, the second mortgage holder can foreclose on the home, but if there is not enough equity to cover the second, it wouldn’t make sense for them to do so. The first mortgage holder would need to be paid in full first before they get a dime. The first option is letting the second mortgage go into default, and “waiting around” for them to start foreclosure proceedings.

      Another option would be to sell the home for as much as you can get for it. If you cannot sell the home for enough to cover both the first and second mortgage, that would be considered a short sale. Which just means that you sold the home for less than what was owed on it.

      The last option, which will buy you time but doesn’t necessarily save your home, is to file bankruptcy. Bankruptcy will postpone the foreclosure until the discharge date.

      The “light” at the end of the tunnel here is that if you sell the home, and can cover both mortgages, you could be in a position to buy again after 12 months or so (depending on your credit score and down payment).

      If the home is foreclosed, or if you file bankruptcy, it’s only a 3 year waiting period before being eligible for an FHA loan.

      My last thought on Bankruptcy. Since you were awarded the home in the divorce, a Chapter 13 bankruptcy might be your best option. You can ask the judge to strip the second mortgage entirely, and you would only be left with the first mortgage.

      If you would like, you can shoot me an email to scott@findmywayhome.com, and let me know what State you’re in. I can try to recommend a bankruptcy attorney that can help you understand that option.

      I’m so sorry that these are the only options I can think of, I know that none of these options are great, but I hope that at least it helps you navigate this challenging time.

  • Goodnight67 says:

    Hi, first thank you for this information. I have a first and second mortgage on my condo. They were both discharged bankruptcy in 2012 but I have been paying both faithfully along with the condo fees. However, due to financial hardship of living alone I now need to leave my home and rent. I tried selling with a real estate agent here in CT and things are not going well.The second mortgage is really expensive and the first is also. There is not much equity in the house at this point. I have read I would be responsible for the condo fees and the short sale may be a long process. I am not sure what to do. Will you give me advice please?